authors note: I originally wrote this piece “The Company You Keep” in late 2018. It’s intention was to compare Idaho to the other division 1 institutes out west. In statistics I saw relevant with intentions of creating new a FBS Conference, using the “Front Porch Argument”.  I ened up not posting it because I felt it lack anything solid to my argument of needing a new land grant FBS conference and had to many cherry picked stats and ignored the others. 

However, with the recent development at Eastern Washington about cutting athletics. This coupled with our upcoming FCS v FBS live podcast on April 17th. The research I preformed provides a bit of a lense on Eastern and Idaho in the greater picture out west.

The numbers used are slightly outdated now. This is being published simply because I now feel it provides some additional information in the wake of current news. It does not fit the narrative initially used through the piece.

 

The Company You Keep.

 

There have been many opinions on Idaho in the FCS.  I want to compare the situation with something not talk as much about. Where are Idahos “Peer” Institute? FBS or FCS? People say football is the front porch to a university. They never talk about the neighborhood the front porch is in. Now decide if it is better to have the best front porch in the least desirable neighborhood or the worst front porch in the most desirable neighborhood. Today we are going to look at all the “Western” neighborhoods and have people decide where they think Idaho’s front porch would be best located.

I am going to do my best to layout just the statistics and let people come to their own conclusions. After reading article I encourage everyone to comment below or tweet us @TubsAtTheClub with what you found from article. I will provide some commentary after each statistical grouping.

I am going to limit this to the west. West will be as if you trace the border from south to north of the Texas Louisiana border and on its way north of States with DI sports. I also leave out the state of Texas. The reason I do this is simply the Eastern seaboard, Midwest, South & Texas just have more quantity of schools and history, paired with different challenges from the west. The West is very different in university structure then the rest.

One of the biggest things is Land Grant institutions. Land grant institutes will be typically the most similar Universities to Idaho. Another being Endowment and Enrollment. For Athletics, we are going to look at Facilities (to the best of our abilities), Attendance and budget.

These will be broken down in 4 “Neighborhoods” Pac 12, Mountain West, Big Sky & other. The first 3 are obviously western conferences. The “other” category is made of independents out west or schools belonging to other conferences along our imaginary boundary we setup for the west.

The Land Grant institutions in the states we are considering possible peer institutes are:

North Dakota State

South Dakota State

Nebraska

Kansas State

Oklahoma State

Montana State

Wyoming

Colorado State

New Mexico State

Idaho

Utah State

Arizona

Washington State

Oregon State

Nevada-Reno

California – Berkeley

Hawaii – Manoa

 

ENDOWMENT

According to the 2016 Endowment Numbers Idaho’s Endowment is $237.5 Million. We are going to look at Schools in the west from top to bottom to see where we rank.

Big Sky Mountain West Pac 12 Others
UC Davis

$1.6 Billion

IDAHO

$237.5 MILLION


North Dakota

$230.6 Million

Cal Poly

$190.3 Million

Montana

$167.3 Million

Northern Arizona

$143.9 Million

Montana State

$138.2 Million

Weber State

$110.6 Million

Northern Colorado

$76.3 Million

Portland State*

$73 Million

Idaho State* (2017)

$53 Million

Sacramento State

$39.5 Million

Eastern Washington

$18.4 Million

Southern Utah

(Not Available?)

Wyoming

$422.2 Million

New Mexico

$393.2

Million

Utah State

$325.5 Million

Nevada

$302.6 Million

Colorado State

$286.3 Million

Hawaii

$271.1 Million

IDAHO

$237.5 MILLION


UNLV

$230.8 Million

San Diego State

$219.9 Million

Fresno State

$146.3 Million

San Jose State

$125.6 Million

Boise State

$88.8 Million

Air Force (Academies don’t make release)

Stanford

$22.2 Billion

USC

$4.6 Billion

Washington

$2.9 Billion

UCLA

$1.6 Billion

Cal-Berkeley

$1.5 Billion

Colorado

$1 Billion

Utah

$1 Billion

Washington State

$907.8 Million

Oregon

$758.6 Million

Arizona

$754.6 Million

Arizona State

$612.5 Million

Oregon State

$492.5 Million

IDAHO

$237.5 MILLION


 

 

 

 

Oklahoma

$1.5 Billion

Nebraska

$1.4 Billion

Kansas

$1.4 Billion

Tulsa

$957.5 Million

Oklahoma State

$847 Million

Kansas State

$457.3 Million

San Diego

$449.7 Million

IDAHO

$237.5 MILLION


New Mexico State

$214.7 Million

South Dakota

$209 Million

North Dakota State

$150.4 Million

South Dakota State

$104.7 Million

BYU

(Religious institutes don’t release)

 

 

* Numbers found on different source than the res

 

 

ENROLLMENT

 

Idaho 2018 Enrollment 12k

Big Sky Mountain West Pac 12 Others
UC Davis

37.2k

Northern Arizona

31k

Sacramento State

30.6k @

Weber State

27.9k

Portland State

27.3k @

Cal Poly

22.1k

Montana State

16.9k

North Dakota

14.4k

Idaho State

13.3k

Northern Colorado

12.9k

Eastern Washington

12.6k @

IDAHO

12k


Montana

10.6k

Southern Utah

9.4k

San Diego State

30.1k @

San Jose State

27.7k @

Colorado State

25.9k

UNLV

25.2k @

Utah State

24.6k

Fresno State

22.2k

Boise State

20.7k @

New Mexico

19.5k

Nevada

18.3k

Hawaii

12.8k

IDAHO

12k


Wyoming

9.7k

Air Force

4.2k

 

 

UCLA

45.5k

USC

43k

Arizona State

42.4k

Arizona

35.1k

Washington

31.3k

Cal-Berkeley

30.5k

Washington State

29.6k

Colorado

29k

Oregon State

25.8k

Utah

24.6k

Oregon

22.9k

IDAHO

12k


Stanford

7k

 

 

 

 

BYU

31.2k

Oklahoma

22.8k

Nebraska

20.9k

Oklahoma State

20.9k

Kansas

19.3k

Kansas State

18.4k

IDAHO

12k


North Dakota State

11.9k

New Mexico State

11.7k

South Dakota State

10.8k

South Dakota

10.2k

San Diego

9k

Tulsa

3.3k

 

 

@ Considered a commuter School

 

World Report & US News Best School 2019 Rankings

Idaho is #165(t)

Big Sky Mountain West Pac 12 Others
UC Davis

38(t)

IDAHO

165(t)


Montana

201(t)

Montana State

205(t)

North Dakota

205(t)

Northern Colorado

230-301(t)

Northern Arizona

230-301(t)

Portland State

230-301(t)

Eastern Washington

Not Ranked

Southern Utah

Not Ranked

Sacramento State

Not Ranked

Weber State

Not Ranked

Cal Poly

Not Ranked

Idaho State

Not Ranked

San Diego State

127(t)

Colorado State

140(t)

Hawaii

157(t)

IDAHO

165(t)


Wyoming

183(t)

New Mexico

187(t)

Nevada

201(t)

Utah State

205(t)

Fresno State

205(t)

UNLV

230-301

Boise State

230-301

San Jose State

NR

Air Force

NR

 

 

Stanford

7

UCLA

19

Cal-Berkeley

22(t)

USC

22(t)

Washington

59(t)

Colorado

96(t)

Oregon

102(t)

Arizona

106(t)

Arizona State

115(t)

Utah

119(t)

Washington State

140(t)

Oregon State

140(t)

IDAHO

165(t)


 

 

 

 

BYU

60(t)

San Diego

85(t)

Tulsa

106(t)

Nebraska

129(t)

Kansas

129(t)

Kansas State

147(t)

Oklahoma State

157(t)

IDAHO

165(t)


New Mexico State

221(t)

North Dakota State

215(t)

South Dakota State

226(t)

South Dakota

226(t)

Oklahoma

Not Ranked

 

 

(t) Tie

 

Stadium Capacity

Idaho is 16,000

Big Sky Mountain West Pac 12 Others
Montana

25,200

Sacramento State

21,195

Montana State

19,000

Weber State

17,000

IDAHO

16,000


Northern Arizona

15,300

North Dakota

12,283

Idaho State

12,000

Cal Poly

11,075

UC Davis

10,849

Eastern Washington

8,600*

Northern Colorado

8,533

Southern Utah

8,500

Portland State

7,600%

 

San Diego State

70,561

Hawaii

50,000

Air Force

46,692

Colorado State

41,200

Fresno State

41,031

New Mexico

39,224

UNLV

36,800

Boise State

36,387

San Jose State

30,456

Wyoming

29,181

Nevada

26,000

Utah State

25,513

IDAHO

16,000


 

 

 

UCLA

90,888

USC

77,500

Washington

70,500

Cal-Berkeley

62,717

Arizona State

56,232

Arizona

56,029

Oregon

54,000

Stanford

50,424

Colorado

50,183

Utah

45,807

Oregon State

45,674

Washington State

32,248

IDAHO

16,000


 

 

 

Oklahoma

86,112

Nebraska

86,047

BYU

63,470

Oklahoma State

60,218

Kansas

50,071

Kansas State

50,000

New Mexico State

30,343

Tulsa

30,000

South Dakota State

19,340

North Dakota State

19,000

IDAHO

16,000


South Dakota

10,000

San Diego

6,000

 

* Started fundraising/have real plans for new stadium

% Play a few game in larger facility

 

Now that we see where everyone in the conferences out west rank lets rank all schools 1 through 50 in all the categories above and this should start What 12-13 schools are most similar in all subjects. I will then sort everyone by their average finish in the categories and create 4 new “Neighborhoods” as they were.

Endowment Enrollment School Ranking Stadium Capacity
1.      Stanford

2.      USC

3.      Washington

4.      UCLA

5.      UC Davis

6.      Cal-Berkeley

7.      Oklahoma

8.      Nebraska

9.      Kansas

10.      Colorado

11.   Utah

12.   Tulsa

13.   Washington State

14.   Oklahoma State

15.   Oregon

16.   Arizona

17.   Arizona State

18.   Oregon State

19.   Kansas state

20.   San Diego

21.   Wyoming

22.   New Mexico

23.   Utah State

24.   Nevada

25.   Colorado State

26.   Hawaii

27.   Idaho


28.   UNLV

29.   North Dakota

30.   San Diego State

31.   New Mexico State

32.   South Dakota

33.   Cal Poly

34.   Montana

35.   North Dakota State

36.   Fresno State

37.   Northern Arizona

38.   Montana State

39.   San Jose State

40.   Weber State

41.   South Dakota State

42.   Boise State

43.   Portland State

44.   Idaho State

45.   Sacramento State

46.   Eastern Washington

47.   Southern Utah

1.      UCLA

2.      USC

3.      Arizona State

4.      UC Davis

5.      Arizona

6.      Washington

7.      BYU

8.      Northern Arizona

9.      Sacramento State

10.   Cal-Berkeley

11.   San Diego State

12.   Washington State

13.   Colorado

14.   Weber State

15.   San Jose State

16.   Portland State

17.   Colorado State

18.   Oregon State

19.   UNLV

20.   Utah

21.   Utah State

22.   Oregon

23.   Oklahoma

24.   Fresno State

25.   Cal Poly

26.   Nebraska

27.   Oklahoma State

28.   Boise State

29.   New Mexico

30.   Kansas

31.   Kansas State

32.   Nevada

33.   Montana State

34.   North Dakota

35.   Idaho state

36.   Northern Colorado

37.   Hawaii

38.   Eastern Washington

39.   Idaho


40.   North Dakota State

41.   New Mexico State

42.   South Dakota State

43.   Montana

44.   South Dakota

45.   Wyoming

46.   Southern Utah

47.   San Diego

48.   Stanford

49.   Air Force

50.   Tulsa

1.      Stanford

2.      UCLA

3.      Cal-Berkeley

3.    USC

5.    UC Davis

6.    Washington

7.    BYU

8.    San Diego

9.    Colorado

10.  Oregon

11.  Tulsa

11.  Arizona

13.  Arizona State

14.  Utah

15.  San Diego State

16.  Nebraska

16.  Kansas

18.  Washington State

18.  Oregon State

18.  Colorado State

21.  Kansas State

22.  Oklahoma State

22.  Hawaii

24.  Idaho


25.  Wyoming

26.  New Mexico

27.  Nevada

27.  Montana

29.  Montana State

29.  Utah State

29.  Fresno State

29.  North Dakota

33.  North Dakota State

34.  New Mexico State

35.  South Dakota state

35.  South Dakota

37.  Northern Colorado

37.  Northern Arizona

37.  Portland State

37.  UNLV

37.  Boise State

42.  Oklahoma

42.  San Jose State

42.  Air Force

42.  Eastern Washington

42.  Southern Utah

42.  Sacramento State

42.  Weber State

42.  Cal Poly

42. Idaho State

 

1.      UCLA

2.      Oklahoma

3.      Nebraska

4.      USC

5.      San Diego State

6.      Washington

7.      BYU

8.      Cal-Berkeley

9.      Oklahoma state

10.   Arizona State

11.   Arizona

12.   Oregon

13.   Stanford

14.   Colorado

15.   Kansas

16.   Kansas State

17.   Hawaii

18.   Air Force

19.   Utah

20.   Oregon State

21.   Colorado State

22.   Fresno State

23.   New Mexico

24.   UNLV

25.   Boise State

26.   Washington State

27.   San Jose State

28.   New Mexico State

29.   Tulsa

30.   Wyoming

31.   Nevada

32.   Utah state

33.   Montana

34.   Sacramento State

35.   South Dakota State

36.   North Dakota State

37.   Montana State

38.   Weber State

39.   Idaho


40.   Northern Arizona

41.   North Dakota

42.   Idaho State

43.   Cal Poly

44.   UC Davis

45.   South Dakota

46.   Eastern Washington

47.   Northern Colorado

48.   Southern Utah

49.   Portland State

50.   San Diego

Interesting takeaways. Stanford literally might lose an amount larger than Eastern Washington’s Endowment and not even notice. The whole Pac 12 is by far the best neighborhood in terms of Endowment. I know what a surprise (just like Boise States Endowment). There numbers are extremely high (except poor Oregon State) while having 4 land grant institutions.

Some more surprising statistics when looking at these numbers (other than Southern Utah not existing apparently) is Idaho would be Smack dab in the middle of Mountain west conference; which contains 5 of the 17 Land Grant institutions out west.

What 12 Schools are most similar compared to Idaho?

Wyoming, Montana, Montana State & South Dakota -3

New Mexico, Utah State, Colorado State, Hawaii, North Dakota, Cal Poly, Idaho State, North Dakota State-2

Breakdown by conference

0 Pac 12 schools

5 Mountain West Schools

6 Big Sky Schools

2 Other Western Schools.

 

Idaho fits best with Mountain West and Big Sky.

 

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